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Natalie Caladan
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2010.05.23 08:28:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis Why on earth would you do such a foolish thing?
Because in the long run it's the smartest thing to do. He's not the only one who found out it is.
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Natalie Caladan
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2010.05.27 10:07:00 -
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I really get the impression most veterans don't want new players. I wonder when CCP is going to adjust that since they already stated it's something that they're concerned about (and the whole new player experience in general).
I think the suggestion of 4/3 and no double training is a very good one.
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Natalie Caladan
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2010.05.27 10:37:00 -
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Edited by: Natalie Caladan on 27/05/2010 10:38:49
Originally by: Mag's I'm not averse to change, but if Learning skills were removed, I would expect to retain the same attributes and be allowed to redistribute the SP from learning.
If they'd do away with the 1.6 m double speed and gave 4/3 learning skills instead I'd still be ok with that. If newer players get a 3 weeks headstart because of that - I couldn't care less. What's 3 weeks on 25 years anyway, about 0.02%?! It's impossible to call that 'I want it now, why should I wait' since you still have like 24 years and 49 weeks left.
If it makes new players stay instead of getting frustrated I think it's a very small price to pay. That what this is mainly about, about not scaring new players away once they learn that 2 months of doing learning skills is the best way to go.
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Natalie Caladan
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2010.06.03 15:08:00 -
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Edited by: Natalie Caladan on 03/06/2010 15:11:34
Originally by: Braelyn but it has really always been that way. Learning skills were a pain to learn for older players, as well.
One of the things that has also changed is that more and more players are already veterans. In the old days things may have been tougher but people were max 2 or 3 years ahead of you. The longer EVE exists, the greater the difference becomes. If you enter EVE and everyone except you flies supercariers and has 30 billion worth of implants and you know you will need 3 years to be on equal terms - I can imagine it's extremely discouraging. Not everyone wants to invest into something that will require years and years. And then it's best to start with 3 months of skilltraining without even knowing how the game will actually be .. ??
No doubt it's one of the reasons the playerbase doesn't really grow a lot an no doubt it's one of the reasons that the players who are in are more than happy to stay.
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Natalie Caladan
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2010.06.04 06:51:00 -
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Originally by: Redpoppy lame ass fools.
I must say your emotional outburts don't make your arguments sound any more solid. And the argument that "going down in dignity" because new players will get more and more discouraged is preferable to adjusting 0.1% of the skills in the game because that's "intolerably cheap and clownesque" also isn't very strong one.
I don't have the feeling that your two accounts will be severely missed.
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Natalie Caladan
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2010.06.08 10:35:00 -
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Edited by: Natalie Caladan on 08/06/2010 10:36:36
Originally by: Liz Viscious Edited by: Liz Viscious on 06/06/2010 05:23:44 You can argue all day that you don't need a single learning skill to start training, but that doesn't make it a good idea. Eve is a very long-term game, but that doesn't mean there should be a month of skiling or more to begin long-term progress. I'm not arguing it's unintelligent to train them. I'm not arguing that it is very insightful of a newb (sadly) to wholly depart from gameplay for weeks at a time just to get them out of the way with the least amount of frustration.
The bottom line is: learning skills, no matter when you get to them, create a void in what would otherwise be a progressive path to a more expansive sandbox.
Very well said!!
Originally by: TriIIian Edited by: TriIIian on 08/06/2010 09:51:53 If you have trained all your learning skills to V then this thread sucks. If you havent trained all your learning skills then this thread rocks.
Not really. I have 5/5 and 5/4 on most - still I argue in favour of doing away with the learning skills. I don't see the added value of them being "trainable" and you don't learn anything from it except to exercise patience. I can't imagine it can be CCPs intention that new players should be afk for 4 weeks before starting to play their game.
I could be mistaken ofc. I'm not really familiar with Icelandic minds .. if Bj÷rk is a prototype though I believe it may wel be the case!
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Natalie Caladan
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2010.06.09 16:45:00 -
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Edited by: Natalie Caladan on 09/06/2010 16:48:01
Originally by: Pantload ( can't say HTFU or GTFO. ya'll turn into whiney little girls over that phrase ).
Indeed, I don't know about you (I fear the worst) but where I live and work rudeness isn't regarded as a virtue.
Originally by: Pantload I don't know if my opinion is minority or majority but its my opinion. Hell, why not have a game-wide vote on the subject and really find out? Would be very interesting to see the results of that poll.
Agreed. And perhaps if you look at the linked thread you'll see that CCP also wants to get rid of the learning skills. As the saying goes: "you're never too old to learn" and "learn from your mistakes"! Indeed too bad we can't make polls on this forum.
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Natalie Caladan
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2010.06.09 22:20:00 -
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Edited by: Natalie Caladan on 09/06/2010 22:21:47
Originally by: Pantload This is, without a doubt, the dumbest goddamn thing you've said so far. Seriously? Segregation? Imperialism? You are one step off invoking Godwin's Law. Get a freakin' grip on reality will you?
You're really a rude bullyboy eh? Love swearing and cursing? And proud of it?
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